Comments on: Social Justice I: The Need to Help the Poor http://aliberalmormon.wordpress.com/2007/07/23/social-justice-i-the-need-to-help-the-poor/ Liberal politics and social commentary from a distinctly LDS perspective Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:36:16 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: jude http://aliberalmormon.wordpress.com/2007/07/23/social-justice-i-the-need-to-help-the-poor/#comment-7477 jude Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:09:55 +0000 http://aliberalmormon.wordpress.com/2007/07/23/social-justice-i-the-need-to-help-the-poor/#comment-7477 hello,i'm sorry to cry for help but i gat to.i'm facing a very big problem here in cameroon.i have to succeed my late father who died some years back as the king,but are trying to kill me.they have killed my family and i'm only left with my sister.we are moving from place to place hiding.i realy need help to get out of the country.please hear me out and react.here's ma number 237-96-18-89-33. jude hello,i’m sorry to cry for help but i gat to.i’m facing a very big problem here in cameroon.i have to succeed my late father who died some years back as the king,but are trying to kill me.they have killed my family and i’m only left with my sister.we are moving from place to place hiding.i realy need help to get out of the country.please hear me out and react.here’s ma number 237-96-18-89-33.

jude

]]> By: Daniel Blakslee http://aliberalmormon.wordpress.com/2007/07/23/social-justice-i-the-need-to-help-the-poor/#comment-6648 Daniel Blakslee Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:45:00 +0000 http://aliberalmormon.wordpress.com/2007/07/23/social-justice-i-the-need-to-help-the-poor/#comment-6648 Here here! Could use a little help my self... See my site.. Here here! Could use a little help my self… See my site..

]]> By: patricia munger http://aliberalmormon.wordpress.com/2007/07/23/social-justice-i-the-need-to-help-the-poor/#comment-6021 patricia munger Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:38:27 +0000 http://aliberalmormon.wordpress.com/2007/07/23/social-justice-i-the-need-to-help-the-poor/#comment-6021 i need help and on one can help me i am homeles so can you halp me i hope so so if you can hear is my email firefangdragon @yahoo.com i need help and on one can help me i am homeles so can you halp me i hope so
so if you can hear is my email firefangdragon @yahoo.com

]]> By: Derek Staffanson http://aliberalmormon.wordpress.com/2007/07/23/social-justice-i-the-need-to-help-the-poor/#comment-5953 Derek Staffanson Sun, 21 Oct 2007 07:15:21 +0000 http://aliberalmormon.wordpress.com/2007/07/23/social-justice-i-the-need-to-help-the-poor/#comment-5953 Thnaks for your comment, AMD. You are indeed right, this particular post was meant to establish the moral imperative for Social Justice from a Christian (and specifically LDS Christian) perspective. The secular justifications I saved for part three of the triune. They are much less compelling, as governmentally forced social justice conflicts with the rights of freedom and property. But they <em>do</em> exist nonetheless. I’m afraid I’ve yet to read Rawls, though he is on my list. With which of his works do you recommend one start? Thnaks for your comment, AMD. You are indeed right, this particular post was meant to establish the moral imperative for Social Justice from a Christian (and specifically LDS Christian) perspective. The secular justifications I saved for part three of the triune. They are much less compelling, as governmentally forced social justice conflicts with the rights of freedom and property. But they do exist nonetheless.

I’m afraid I’ve yet to read Rawls, though he is on my list. With which of his works do you recommend one start?

]]> By: andrewsmiracledrug http://aliberalmormon.wordpress.com/2007/07/23/social-justice-i-the-need-to-help-the-poor/#comment-5942 andrewsmiracledrug Fri, 19 Oct 2007 05:35:10 +0000 http://aliberalmormon.wordpress.com/2007/07/23/social-justice-i-the-need-to-help-the-poor/#comment-5942 I've come very late to this discussion, but I just wish to thank you for crystallizing what i've felt for so long. By the way, have you read Rawls? I know your purpose in this post is to show how charity is imperative, at least if we take the Lord at face value. But Rawls adds a critical secular component to the theory of social justice. I’ve come very late to this discussion, but I just wish to thank you for crystallizing what i’ve felt for so long.

By the way, have you read Rawls? I know your purpose in this post is to show how charity is imperative, at least if we take the Lord at face value. But Rawls adds a critical secular component to the theory of social justice.

]]> By: Jeremy’s Jeremiad » The Social Justice Discussion http://aliberalmormon.wordpress.com/2007/07/23/social-justice-i-the-need-to-help-the-poor/#comment-5642 Jeremy’s Jeremiad » The Social Justice Discussion Tue, 28 Aug 2007 04:17:19 +0000 http://aliberalmormon.wordpress.com/2007/07/23/social-justice-i-the-need-to-help-the-poor/#comment-5642 [...] 1: The Need To Help The Poor - We need to help the poor. We don’t usually do that. That is a [...] [...] 1: The Need To Help The Poor – We need to help the poor. We don’t usually do that. That is a [...]

]]> By: Required reading for your Mormon friends & family » Drinking Liberally of Salt Lake City http://aliberalmormon.wordpress.com/2007/07/23/social-justice-i-the-need-to-help-the-poor/#comment-5289 Required reading for your Mormon friends & family » Drinking Liberally of Salt Lake City Wed, 15 Aug 2007 02:13:49 +0000 http://aliberalmormon.wordpress.com/2007/07/23/social-justice-i-the-need-to-help-the-poor/#comment-5289 [...] Social Justice I: The Need to Help the Poor [...] [...] Social Justice I: The Need to Help the Poor [...]

]]> By: jennifer http://aliberalmormon.wordpress.com/2007/07/23/social-justice-i-the-need-to-help-the-poor/#comment-5110 jennifer Mon, 06 Aug 2007 23:50:10 +0000 http://aliberalmormon.wordpress.com/2007/07/23/social-justice-i-the-need-to-help-the-poor/#comment-5110 Hey Aaron, I want to hear how the church meeting goes. Hey Aaron, I want to hear how the church meeting goes.

]]> By: Aaron Orgill http://aliberalmormon.wordpress.com/2007/07/23/social-justice-i-the-need-to-help-the-poor/#comment-5105 Aaron Orgill Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:49:22 +0000 http://aliberalmormon.wordpress.com/2007/07/23/social-justice-i-the-need-to-help-the-poor/#comment-5105 Pardon me. I accidentally clicked "submit". As I was saying, they didn't help their cause by being so puritanical about the whole thing, but that didn't make anyone take the reckless actions they chose. Teenagers did what they always do: go to extremes to prove a point. Instead of trying to change the things they didn't like, they acted like a bunch of animals, and society is still paying a price for it. I would ask what else you would suggest has destroyed more families than drugs and the selfishness of sexual liberation. I don't know how you can question that. I'm sure that you will respond in part that the commercialism and greed of capitalism has contributed, and that may be so, but if we can learn one thing from the Boomers, it is that you have to talk to people in a language they understand to effect change, and try to implement the things that have been tried and tested and proven over many generations while you cast other, negative trends aside, and keeping the lines of communication open will make the world a better place, rather than making the old farts wrong about everything and treating them like enemies. Now I have something I want to toot your horn for. You deserve some major props on your writings that have caused me to change my heart a little bit and try an experiment. In my ward, I am responsible for the planning of sacrament meetings, and after reading some of your comments on our responsibility to the poor in your blog, I have shaken things up a little bit. This coming Sunday, the adults' assigned topic is Self-Sufficiency (which was chosen by the bishop). I am allowed to give the youth whatever topics and accompanying scriptures I want. I am assigning them the topic of charity, which should prove to be an interesting combo. The scriptures I have assigned are Alma 34:27-29 for one, and Mosiah 4:16-18 for the other. It will be interesting to see what the adults have to say when their turn comes. I hope that some of King Benjamin's comments stick with people, and that it can be a catalyst for remembering that we have no place judging, or turning our heads while those around us suffer. And I thank you for helping me to see the need to stress love and generosity. I hope it works. Pardon me. I accidentally clicked “submit”. As I was saying, they didn’t help their cause by being so puritanical about the whole thing, but that didn’t make anyone take the reckless actions they chose. Teenagers did what they always do: go to extremes to prove a point. Instead of trying to change the things they didn’t like, they acted like a bunch of animals, and society is still paying a price for it. I would ask what else you would suggest has destroyed more families than drugs and the selfishness of sexual liberation. I don’t know how you can question that. I’m sure that you will respond in part that the commercialism and greed of capitalism has contributed, and that may be so, but if we can learn one thing from the Boomers, it is that you have to talk to people in a language they understand to effect change, and try to implement the things that have been tried and tested and proven over many generations while you cast other, negative trends aside, and keeping the lines of communication open will make the world a better place, rather than making the old farts wrong about everything and treating them like enemies.

Now I have something I want to toot your horn for. You deserve some major props on your writings that have caused me to change my heart a little bit and try an experiment. In my ward, I am responsible for the planning of sacrament meetings, and after reading some of your comments on our responsibility to the poor in your blog, I have shaken things up a little bit. This coming Sunday, the adults’ assigned topic is Self-Sufficiency (which was chosen by the bishop). I am allowed to give the youth whatever topics and accompanying scriptures I want. I am assigning them the topic of charity, which should prove to be an interesting combo. The scriptures I have assigned are Alma 34:27-29 for one, and Mosiah 4:16-18 for the other. It will be interesting to see what the adults have to say when their turn comes. I hope that some of King Benjamin’s comments stick with people, and that it can be a catalyst for remembering that we have no place judging, or turning our heads while those around us suffer. And I thank you for helping me to see the need to stress love and generosity. I hope it works.

]]> By: Aaron Orgill http://aliberalmormon.wordpress.com/2007/07/23/social-justice-i-the-need-to-help-the-poor/#comment-5103 Aaron Orgill Mon, 06 Aug 2007 20:29:07 +0000 http://aliberalmormon.wordpress.com/2007/07/23/social-justice-i-the-need-to-help-the-poor/#comment-5103 No dice, Derek. First off, I didn't accuse the far left as if it had become a mainstream thing. I don't think it has become a mainstream thing anywhere yet, thank God. But if we're talking about where it is likely to become accepted, you guys are already touting gay marriage, and one just has to wonder what the next idea is supposed to be. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but every time I make a comment, you read it as if I'm accusing you and everyone else in your camp of the things I bring up, and that just isn't so. I give a lot of props to liberals for some of the things they've gotten accomplished, and there is clearly a lot that needs to be changed in the world, but there are other things that have gone pretty well. You're right, someone who comes from a libertarian viewpoint would be most likely to initiate widespread acceptance of pedophilia. The thing is, everyone is libertarian on some things, and not on others. And there are people out there, like the supercreepy Jack McClellan, who are trying to push things in that direction. It seems like liberals, who pride themselves on accept almost anything, would be more likely to embrace that than the ultra-stuffy conservatives. In some cases, it's good to be stuffy (although we'd undoubtedly see scandals from the far right, as we always do). You are full of crap if you blame the development of social ills on conservatism. They may not have helped themselves by being so high and mighty No dice, Derek. First off, I didn’t accuse the far left as if it had become a mainstream thing. I don’t think it has become a mainstream thing anywhere yet, thank God. But if we’re talking about where it is likely to become accepted, you guys are already touting gay marriage, and one just has to wonder what the next idea is supposed to be. Maybe I’m reading it wrong, but every time I make a comment, you read it as if I’m accusing you and everyone else in your camp of the things I bring up, and that just isn’t so. I give a lot of props to liberals for some of the things they’ve gotten accomplished, and there is clearly a lot that needs to be changed in the world, but there are other things that have gone pretty well. You’re right, someone who comes from a libertarian viewpoint would be most likely to initiate widespread acceptance of pedophilia. The thing is, everyone is libertarian on some things, and not on others. And there are people out there, like the supercreepy Jack McClellan, who are trying to push things in that direction. It seems like liberals, who pride themselves on accept almost anything, would be more likely to embrace that than the ultra-stuffy conservatives. In some cases, it’s good to be stuffy (although we’d undoubtedly see scandals from the far right, as we always do).

You are full of crap if you blame the development of social ills on conservatism. They may not have helped themselves by being so high and mighty

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