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		<title>By: gold price</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 08:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;gold price...&lt;/strong&gt;

[...]Social Justice II: The Moral Conservative Criticism of Social Justice &#171; A Liberal Mormon[...]...]]></description>
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		<title>By: 2012 election</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[2012 election]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 08:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;2012 election...&lt;/strong&gt;

[...]Social Justice II: The Moral Conservative Criticism of Social Justice &#171; A Liberal Mormon[...]...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>2012 election&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>[...]Social Justice II: The Moral Conservative Criticism of Social Justice &laquo; A Liberal Mormon[...]&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: deepapriya</title>
		<link>http://aliberalmormon.wordpress.com/2007/08/06/social-justice-ii-the-moral-conservative-criticism-of-social-justice/#comment-9157</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[deepapriya]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 14:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very good article ... Great effort . 
Helpful to me .

Thank you buddy .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good article &#8230; Great effort .<br />
Helpful to me .</p>
<p>Thank you buddy .</p>
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		<title>By: βαπτιση</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[βαπτιση]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2011 19:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>βαφτιστικα&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>[...]Social Justice II: The Moral Conservative Criticism of Social Justice &laquo; A Liberal Mormon[...]&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Boyce</title>
		<link>http://aliberalmormon.wordpress.com/2007/08/06/social-justice-ii-the-moral-conservative-criticism-of-social-justice/#comment-8916</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Boyce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 15:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I concur with what Nikki said, only to add that when we seek to institutionalize charity and talk of enforcement of the same through taxation, it sounds like we are speaking of Satan&#039;s plan more than Christ&#039;s. Let us not forget that, in The Book of Mormon, when they speak of no poor among them, the populace was first converted to Christ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I concur with what Nikki said, only to add that when we seek to institutionalize charity and talk of enforcement of the same through taxation, it sounds like we are speaking of Satan&#8217;s plan more than Christ&#8217;s. Let us not forget that, in The Book of Mormon, when they speak of no poor among them, the populace was first converted to Christ</p>
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		<title>By: Nikki</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nikki]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 15:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem with social justice as you have described is that the money isn&#039;t being given freely, it&#039;s being taken by the govt and distributed to whom the govt deems &quot;poor.&quot;Christ taught to take care of the sick and widowed, not petition the Romans to do it. If more Christians lived their faith to the fullest, govt social programs would be much less necessary. If we voted moral people into office, special interest groups wouldn&#039;t be an issue either. They wouldn&#039;t get govt &quot;charity&quot; if we were more diligent in whom we sent to DC to serve us. 
I believe we all want to help the poor and the sick, we differ on the means to accomplish the same goal. I want to help through charity, others want to help through more govt. (social justice)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with social justice as you have described is that the money isn&#8217;t being given freely, it&#8217;s being taken by the govt and distributed to whom the govt deems &#8220;poor.&#8221;Christ taught to take care of the sick and widowed, not petition the Romans to do it. If more Christians lived their faith to the fullest, govt social programs would be much less necessary. If we voted moral people into office, special interest groups wouldn&#8217;t be an issue either. They wouldn&#8217;t get govt &#8220;charity&#8221; if we were more diligent in whom we sent to DC to serve us.<br />
I believe we all want to help the poor and the sick, we differ on the means to accomplish the same goal. I want to help through charity, others want to help through more govt. (social justice)</p>
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		<title>By: Annelle Arundel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Annelle Arundel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I go along with you, I do believe! Should that become likely for you to have your site translated in to French? English is my own second language.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I go along with you, I do believe! Should that become likely for you to have your site translated in to French? English is my own second language.</p>
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		<title>By: americana83</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[americana83]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 03:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jesus does say that true religion is helping the poor and widows. However, the key is who is supposed to. No where does the scripture say that the government is to coerce or force people to give of their goods to massive social programs that do nothing to further the gospel of Christ in conjunction with their programs, which actually encourage abortion, discourage marriage, and perpetuate subsistence living.

The church-the members of the church are actually supposed to be the ones helping the helpless. unhindered by secular humanist regulations, they can provide assistance that nourishes not only the body or mind, but the soul as well as moral values that all combine to help pull the person up, instead of keeping them changed to the IV drip of government &quot;mercy.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus does say that true religion is helping the poor and widows. However, the key is who is supposed to. No where does the scripture say that the government is to coerce or force people to give of their goods to massive social programs that do nothing to further the gospel of Christ in conjunction with their programs, which actually encourage abortion, discourage marriage, and perpetuate subsistence living.</p>
<p>The church-the members of the church are actually supposed to be the ones helping the helpless. unhindered by secular humanist regulations, they can provide assistance that nourishes not only the body or mind, but the soul as well as moral values that all combine to help pull the person up, instead of keeping them changed to the IV drip of government &#8220;mercy.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Forest Simmons</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Forest Simmons]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 23:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Those who think &quot;this man has brought this upon himself&quot; should read Jack London&#039;s account of his investigation of the East side of London in the summer of 1902, where he lived among the poor and homeless for several weeks and tried to survive as one of them.  Even with his youth and good health it was touch and go   He had to cheat by resorting to his backup gold coins more than once.  His report of that experience is titled, &quot;People of the Abyss.&quot;  Here&#039;s a link to an online copy of it

http://london.sonoma.edu/Writings/PeopleOfTheAbyss/

You can read his analysis and recommendation in the last chapter of the book.

Part of the analysis is that capitalism had made men so productive that only a dozen or so men were needed to produce all of the basic necessities for a thousand men.  So in England at that time there wasn&#039;t enough honest work for most of the able bodied men.  How were the rest of the people supposed to make a living? 

As we tighten our belts in our own economic meltdown, we are cutting back to the basic necessities that can be produced by a small percentage of our own population (assuming that we have at least as much productivity as they had in England at the beginning of the 20th century).  

So most people  (the ones not producing the basic necessities) will be out of work.  Then how are they supposed to get money to buy the basic necessities for their families?

Will the invisible hand (the holy ghost of capitalism) solve this problem for them?  Will mankind learn how to share in a systematic way?  Or will death through hunger and war force a solution?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who think &#8220;this man has brought this upon himself&#8221; should read Jack London&#8217;s account of his investigation of the East side of London in the summer of 1902, where he lived among the poor and homeless for several weeks and tried to survive as one of them.  Even with his youth and good health it was touch and go   He had to cheat by resorting to his backup gold coins more than once.  His report of that experience is titled, &#8220;People of the Abyss.&#8221;  Here&#8217;s a link to an online copy of it</p>
<p><a href="http://london.sonoma.edu/Writings/PeopleOfTheAbyss/" rel="nofollow">http://london.sonoma.edu/Writings/PeopleOfTheAbyss/</a></p>
<p>You can read his analysis and recommendation in the last chapter of the book.</p>
<p>Part of the analysis is that capitalism had made men so productive that only a dozen or so men were needed to produce all of the basic necessities for a thousand men.  So in England at that time there wasn&#8217;t enough honest work for most of the able bodied men.  How were the rest of the people supposed to make a living? </p>
<p>As we tighten our belts in our own economic meltdown, we are cutting back to the basic necessities that can be produced by a small percentage of our own population (assuming that we have at least as much productivity as they had in England at the beginning of the 20th century).  </p>
<p>So most people  (the ones not producing the basic necessities) will be out of work.  Then how are they supposed to get money to buy the basic necessities for their families?</p>
<p>Will the invisible hand (the holy ghost of capitalism) solve this problem for them?  Will mankind learn how to share in a systematic way?  Or will death through hunger and war force a solution?</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Orgill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aaron Orgill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rick, be careful.  You were totally right on about socialism, until you derailed near the end.  It is NOT a sin to give to people, and whether they are &quot;idle&quot; or not is not for you to decide; in fact, it is presumptuous for you, with your finite mind, to even make that kind of eternal judgment.  There is more desperation in the world caused by wicked governments, fatherlessness, and generations of natural causes than idleness.  Most people would lift themselves out if they could, or knew how.  &quot;Perhaps thou shalt say: The man has brought upon himself his misery; therfore I will stay my hand, and will not give unto him of my food, nor impart unto him of my substance that he may not suffer, for his punishments are just - but I say unto you, O man, whosoever doeth this the same hath great cause to repent; and except he repenteth of that which he hath done he perisheth forever, and hath no interest in the kingdom of God&quot;.  Those are the words.  Wrest them to your own destruction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick, be careful.  You were totally right on about socialism, until you derailed near the end.  It is NOT a sin to give to people, and whether they are &#8220;idle&#8221; or not is not for you to decide; in fact, it is presumptuous for you, with your finite mind, to even make that kind of eternal judgment.  There is more desperation in the world caused by wicked governments, fatherlessness, and generations of natural causes than idleness.  Most people would lift themselves out if they could, or knew how.  &#8220;Perhaps thou shalt say: The man has brought upon himself his misery; therfore I will stay my hand, and will not give unto him of my food, nor impart unto him of my substance that he may not suffer, for his punishments are just &#8211; but I say unto you, O man, whosoever doeth this the same hath great cause to repent; and except he repenteth of that which he hath done he perisheth forever, and hath no interest in the kingdom of God&#8221;.  Those are the words.  Wrest them to your own destruction.</p>
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